North Carolina is one of the leading states in the school choice movement, offering a variety of traditional public, public charter, private, and home schools. One of the more unique options that we have as a part of this is what is known as University-Model Schools. These schools are hybrid, giving children both the benefits of in-class instruction and the flexibility of homeschooling.
This week on Family Policy Matters, host Traci DeVette Griggs welcomes Georgeanna Wiest, founder of Heritage Leadership Academy in North Carolina, to discuss how University-Model schools have the benefits of both private schools and homeschools.
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Transcript: What’s Happened In the North Carolina General Assembly So Far This Year
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS
Thanks for joining us today for Family Policy Matters. We are recording this interview for both the radio show and podcast and NC Family’s weekly video updates. If you’re interested in seeing the video version of this interview, sign up as part of our email list at NCfamily.org and you will receive an email when they are online every week. Our guests today are here to give us an update on this session of the North Carolina General Assembly. John Rustin is president of NC Family and Jerry Royall is NC Family’s Counsel. Both spend a lot of time at the General Assembly keeping an eye on what’s happening and working to influence laws on behalf of the families in our state. It’s amazing that when you hear about all of these important bills in the media, they’re portrayed as radical. But as we know when we actually read the text of the bills, which of course are always available to us on the NC legislature’s website at ncleg.gov, we find they’re actually common sense and reasonable. So let’s talk about some of those bills. Well, let’s talk first about a victory. There was a pro life victory in the legislature. What happened?
JOHN RUSTIN
Yes, well, there was and hopefully as you’re aware, we have had a great pro life victory in North Carolina. Senate Bill 20—The Care for Women, Children, and Families Act was passed by the legislature, of course was vetoed by Governor Roy Cooper, and the legislature overrode the governor’s veto. This bill is a major pro life victory in North Carolina. It essentially reduces the gestational age for illegal abortions in North Carolina from 20 weeks to 12 weeks. Of course, at the onset of the session, we were advocating strongly for a heartbeat bill in North Carolina, which would have reduced the legal gestational age for abortion about six weeks, it was clear as this bill and discussions were going on in both the House and the Senate, that that just was unfortunately not going to happen, and so they settled on 12 weeks. But this bill contains a lot of other provisions that will protect life in North Carolina, and also that will provide resources to give women and families that are facing crisis and unplanned pregnancies every reason to choose life instead of choosing abortion. Jere, do you have any other perspective?
JERE ROYALL
As you said, yeah, that was a compromise. We obviously wanted, and many others wanted, conception to be the time when the unborn child is protected. But there were a lot of good provisions that were added along with the 12 week restriction.
JOHN RUSTIN
And Traci, this bill is is literally going to save thousands of lives every year, and is going to again, provide resources. There’s $160 million dollars appropriated in this bill for improvements and enhancements to foster care, to adoption, to maternal care and lots of other important services in North Carolina, again, to give women and families that are facing crisis and unplanned pregnancies every reason to choose life. And so we’re really excited about it.
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS
Yeah, and I think it answers some of those critiques from the other side that all we care about is getting the baby born. So this is providing a lot of those services.
JOHN RUSTIN
Absolutely, absolutely. And that’s so critical, because there are going to be more and more women carrying a child to term and we need to provide those practical services to them and also support in lots of different ways. So yeah.
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS
Well let’s talk about going forward, then, there are a lot of bills that are important to North Carolina families that are being considered, talk about what those are.
JOHN RUSTIN
Well, a major bill is the Parents’ Bill of Rights, which I know a lot of our viewers and listeners care about. This bill clarifies and codifies parents fundamental rights to the care, custody, and control – using kind of legal terms – of their children, particularly in the arenas of education and health care. So this bill, Senate Bill 49, passed the Senate in early February and is awaiting action in the House. And we’re very, very hopeful that the house is going to take this bill up and pass it because parents do have a fundamental right to the care and upbringing of their children. But because that’s being challenged in lots of areas, especially in education and in health care, this bill does need to pass.
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS
Okay, how about Opportunity Scholarships?
JERE ROYALL
Well, this is an area where more and more people are realizing we need to offer choices in education, and there’s great support across the state for this. So both chambers, the House and the Senate have bills proposing that. The House actually passed their version, the Senate version was not voted on, would expand things even more. Their’s actually would include all income levels. Now it would be on a sliding scale, the amount of these grants, but because the bill has not been taken up, many people are talking about the fact that it will be put in the state budget, which is what has happened in recent years. But either way, there is going to be a significant expansion of the scholarship grants, not an unlimited amount, but they are going to continue to increase the availability of these scholarships.
JOHN RUSTIN
Yeah, so expanding eligibility, so more children, more families will be able to choose the educational environment that’s best for their children, and also forward funding as the legislature is done so that there are appropriations set aside for Opportunity Scholarships for years in advance. So we’re really excited about this initiative, and the legislature is really continuing making North Carolina one of the leading states in the nation in school choice.
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS
So this is what critics have hammered on is the all income levels, that you’re going to be providing these scholarships, which have in the past may have been for people who are low income or who’ve had special needs children. So now we’re giving scholarships and taking these rich kids and paying for them to go to private schools. What’s the truth in that?
JERE ROYALL
Well, I mean it is but it’s on a sliding scale. But the reality is people are saying taxpayers are putting money into the state fund, and so it only makes sense that if people are choosing for their children to take another path that some of those resources should follow the child. I understand your point people are making but the reality is doesn’t it make sense to let resources but not as much of the state resources follow the child as they go to various schools?
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS
Okay. The next one, I think is Fairness in Women’s Sports Act.
JOHN RUSTIN
Yes, and this bill is really designed to protect the health and safety of female athletes in middle school, high school, and college by designating sports teams as either male, female or CO Ed based on biological sex. And so there were similar bills introduced in both the State Senate and the State House, those bills passed their chamber of origin. So the Senate bill passed the Senate, the House bill passed the House, but neither chamber has taken up the other chambers bill yet. So since there is clearly support in both chambers for this legislation, we fully anticipate that this bill will be taken up in either the House or the Senate, and that bill will be passed.
JERE ROYALL
Quick note on that, John, that doesn’t normally happen. Usually, one chamber passes a bill sends it over to the other. In this case, as you say they did pass their own version. The main difference is the House version includes college sports, so it remains to be seen how they’re going to work out that difference.
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS
Okay, so this is primarily about transgender individuals trying to play on a sport that doesn’t match their birth gender. So we’ve got another bill that’s similar prohibiting gender surgeries on minors. What’s happening with that?
JOHN RUSTIN
Right, well, this is House Bill 808, which passed the House in early May, has not been considered by the Senate yet. The original version of this bill, and there’s a companion Senate bill, would prohibit the administration of puberty blockers, cross sex hormones, and the performance of gender reassignment surgeries on minors in North Carolina. So the House took up their bill, they took out the puberty blockers or the chemical portions and kept it as just prohibiting cross sex surgeries on minors and sent that bill over to the Senate. We’re hopeful that the Senate will take up their version of the bill or reinstate the chemical treatment prohibition as part of this bill. Because these drugs, these chemicals, and these surgical procedures are irreversible and sterilize the individuals who receive these services. And it’s just not a good thing for especially our youth to be subjected to. And so individuals who are dealing with gender dysphoria certainly need support, they need compassion, they need care, but they don’t need irreversible surgeries and chemicals in their bodies.
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS
Okay, so these two bills are not proof that Republicans hate transgender individuals, is that what you’re saying?
JOHN RUSTIN
Yes, that is correct.
JERE ROYALL
It is, it’s showing true care for people. As John said, they’re permanent changes. There’s no proof. I mean, more and more. We’ve seen it over in Europe, other parts of the world that they’ve been on this path and have seen, they’re coming with negative outcomes. This is bringing harm to people’s lives. So it is, it’s really showing compassion. One other quick note too, John, it remains to be seen how their work out the difference, the House version did still have a provision in there, even though it didn’t keep the chemical part, where no state funding would go towards any kinds of treatments.
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS
Yeah, it is interesting that the United States is doing much more radical things with individuals who believe themselves to be transgender than even European countries. Some of these countries we expect to be far out there.
JOHN RUSTIN
And Traci, in a related bill, there’s also legislation that would protect the rights of conscience of healthcare providers in North Carolina. It’s a very broad bill, but part of the intention of the bill is to address and protect physicians and others in the healthcare industry from being forced to engage and participate in these kinds of administration of drugs and surgeries on minors. So that is House Bill 819, the Medical Ethics Defense Act. We do have conscience protections in North Carolina protecting doctors, physicians, health care providers from participating in abortions. And this would extend that in a much broader sense. So we are hopeful that this bill will be taken up because that’s really important not only to prohibit minors from participating, but if adults are seeking these kinds of treatments that, if a healthcare provider objects to it on religious, ethical or moral grounds, they should not be forced to participate in it. So another important bill.
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS
Okay. So the final one that our organization is watching is called The REACH Act, and as someone who loves history and thinks that we all need to learn more about our Founding Fathers and some of the founding documents, I love this one. But explain what that is.
JOHN RUSTIN
Well, The REACH Act would require three credit hours of instruction on American government and our founding documents as a prerequisite for graduation from North Carolina universities and community colleges. So the title of the bill is Reclaiming College Education on America’s Constitutional Heritage, the acronym for that is REACH, so that’s where The REACH Act comes from. And there were bills introduced in both chambers to do this. There have been discussions, but no final action taken yet on this legislation by the General Assembly.
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS
Right, and why is this important?
JERE ROYALL
Well, as we’re seeing now, they’ve done surveys and asked people basic questions about government. And sadly, the responses are almost shocking. And this is where people are going, “Okay, we see this is a problem.” As citizens of this country, we need to understand our system of government, we all need to participate. And that’s what course we’re about. And we appreciate the fact that so many of you work together with us within our government. But if people don’t understand how the government system works, they’re not as likely to be involved and interested. And so this is an important part of helping people see what does it mean to be a citizen of this country, of this state?
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS
Right. And I think this is why it’s important for all of us to be an educated electorate. This is why getting involved with NC Family, signing up for those emails and actually reading them when they go into your email box is important because you’re continuing to educate yourself and how you can be active.
JOHN RUSTIN
We’ve got a couple more issues to talk about. I know we’re running short on time. Of course, gambling has been a huge focus of the legislature. Unfortunately in recent weeks, as we are having our discussion today, the sports gambling and horse racing bill has passed the General Assembly and has been sent to the governor. He is expected to sign the bill in the coming days. And it’s just very unfortunate because we know the tremendously negative impact that the legalization of sports gambling in North Carolina is going to have, especially on our young adults and youth. The legislature is also considering bills and discussing bills that would place casinos in North Carolina and also legalize Video Lottery terminals or basically video poker machines under the auspices of the state lottery, we are fighting these bills like the dickens and I’m just heartbroken to see the sports gambling bill and the horse racing bill pass the legislature. If this is an issue that is of concern to you, please keep your eyes and ears open for alerts from the Family Policy Council as we move further into the session, because these bills are likely to come up quite quickly.
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS
And then the last one is medical marijuana, which I think is just ridiculous that we’re actually still talking about this. We know all the evidence that shows that it’s not healthy to have this legalized marijuana. Talk about what’s happening in North Carolina.
JERE ROYALL
Well, it passed earlier this year in the Senate as the House has not brought it up yet. We and you and many others continue to inform our members of the legislature of the house, just as you’re saying Traci, about the realities. All major medical groups are saying, “No, let us be the ones who approve medications. This we’re finding harm, not help.” And again, thank you for your involvement, because the more they’re hearing, the more they’re being encouraged with the facts and the truth. We’re understanding that opposition is continuing to grow. So this coming week, we’ve heard they may be voting in the House within the caucus of Republicans where if it’s defeated there, then that will be the end of the bill, which is what needs to happen. So we all are going to keep working together to inform, encourage them which goes back to your whole point about being involved with government, looking out for our neighbor, caring for one another. This is one more way we can do that.
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS
And y’all it’s so valuable that we have these people up there, you know, advocating on our behalf. So thank you very much for all the good work that you guys do.
JOHN RUSTIN
Thank you, Traci. I appreciate that.
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Transcript: The Best of Both Academic Worlds
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS: Thanks for joining us this week for Family Policy Matters. We’re continuing our Back to School series of interviews looking at the many faces of education here in North Carolina, which is considered a school choice leader in the nation. Well, today we’re joined by Georgeanna Wiest, a North Carolina wife and mother of five who founded a unique school in her own community. Heritage Leadership Academy is a revolutionary University-Model home and classroom hybrid school serving pre-K to 12th grade students in four locations around the Triangle area. Georgeanna Weast, welcome to Family Policy Matters.
GEORGEANNA WIEST: Thank you so much for having me.
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS: Tell us about this hybrid model. How does that work, where you’re doing both homeschool and in-person education?
GEORGEANNA WIEST: The University-Model is a unique hybrid school model because it is recognized as a full-time program. So it means we can register with the state as a private school, and because of that, we must meet all the standards and requirements that any other private school would have to meet. But it is different in structure in that it maximizes the benefits of both the private and homeschool models. So kids are on campus two to three days a week, depending on their grade. Pre-K through sixth grade are two days a week, seventh and up are three days a week, and they complete their remaining school days at home, which is referred to as the satellite classroom. And all lesson plans are created and implemented by experienced classroom teachers. And the parents, who you would hear referred to as a co-teacher in the model, are responsible for carrying out those lesson plans on the satellite days. What is also unique is that on those satellite days, our classroom teachers are available to the parents as a resource if they have questions or need any help.
So it is really the best of both worlds. And as the child ages, the role of the parent changes. So you’ll find that early on, the parents are very hands-on as the kids are learning to read and write and do all of those things. And in this model, in particular, especially if they start in this model, you’ll see very early on, I mean, these kids are almost completely independent, you know, checking their lesson plans, doing their work, even reaching out to their teachers for help. So it not only gives the gift of time back to the family, it also allows the children to learn the skill of time management and individual ownership and responsibility, which I believe prepares them for anything that God has for them in the future.
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS: Well, that sounds wonderful. So tell us, how did this happen? How did you come up with this idea? Tell us about your educational journey and what motivated you to begin the Heritage Leadership Academy.
GEORGEANNA WIEST: My degree is actually in nursing. So I graduated in 2006 and went straight into working full-time as a nurse. So I had lots of babies in that time, those seven years, went to part-time. We ended up adopting our daughter Emmy from Taiwan. And when we got home with her, realized that she was very sick and I would need to quit my job to be home full-time with her. At that point, I was homeschooling our oldest and had two other little ones. And I didn’t really have any long-term plans of what I was going to do. I just knew we were traveling to Taiwan, we were bringing home this child and integrating her into our family and I felt that Jenna needed to be home. And it was kindergarten, you know, I could manage that, I could manage that a couple hours a day and still work.
So that is kind of where the decision to homeschool came at first. And then each year, we just reevaluated our situation based on who our kids were, what they needed. And every year, it just seemed like homeschooling was the best option given the choices that we had in our area. And then Emmy, actually, went to a public preschool and then went on to a public elementary school. So my motivation for starting HLA really came from that, and I was never truly content with our choice to homeschool. I was also not at peace with all of my children being gone five days a week, and, you know, also, the price of private school really limited us in having that as an option for our family. So I just kept homeschooling. It was year after year. That was what I did with my other kids, and Emmy, based on just her needs, she would not have been served well at home full-time.
But I struggled with a lot of insecurity of was I teaching them the right things? Was I choosing the right curriculum? Was I giving them everything that they needed? And then on top of that, you know, I’m trying to schedule all the things with all the people so that my kids are getting out of the house and having these social experiences that I was worried they were missing by being home. By the time my third was about to start kindergarten, I was desperate for something different for them. And I started doing research on part-time schools thinking, surely there’s something, surely this is not just the who wants to be able to choose something different for my kids. And there are plenty of homeschool coops that are hybrids, but I was looking for something that provided the educational standards of an accredited institution without having to give up all the flexibility that I loved about homeschooling.
So through a series of divine appointments, I learned about the university model. And the more I learned about it, the more I felt this calling on my heart that I needed to stop waiting for someone to do this and start walking forward. So I just kind of started putting one foot in front of the other, God opened the doors, and you know, He has been faithful to equip me to carry out that calling each step of the way.
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS: So basically, you could not find a school situation that fit your kids’ needs, and so you just went out and started your own. Good for you! Tell us how that works. So do you have buildings? I mean, do the kids have sports? How does that work?
GEORGEANNA WIEST: We have grown a lot. We started, we opened our doors with 103 kids in 2017, which was honestly more than three times what we expected because, at the time, the University-Model Schools average starting roster was about 25 kids. So to open with 103 was obviously, we were meeting a need that we didn’t really even know existed. And so we kind of really skated through, we didn’t really have a honeymoon phase of growth, like it just kind of blew up immediately.
Right now, we are mobile at all of our campuses. So we have four different campuses across the Triangle, and we are planning on opening another one next year. But they’re all mobile, they’re all in churches. So we are renting facilities from churches at this point, which is limiting in space and just availability. But they do have a full load. So we are required, just like any other private school, to offer a full load of options for these children. And we are also accredited by Cognia, which is known worldwide for its standards in academic excellence. It’s actually not just an accrediting agency for private Christian schools, which a lot of schools are accredited through those, but it also accredits many public schools, and even in this area, several of the public schools are accredited by Cognia.
So we have those academic standards that we must meet. And we do. And we first met them, and then now, as we’re growing, you know, we definitely have the electives. We have our options. We have theater options, we have music options, and we’re now getting into sports. A couple of years ago, we had our first track team, cross country. We won the championship, it was amazing. And then, I think, now we’re adding, we had a basketball team last year. And so we’re slowly adding as we have people that come and want to help us make it happen. And we have the numbers of kids that can make these extracurricular things a reality.
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS: Right. So you said you started with 103? How many children do you have now?
GEORGEANNA WIEST: We’ve maxed out at 525 kids across the four campuses. And we’re only limited, really, by our facilities. But the people are there waiting. We just don’t, we don’t have the space to meet the need right now.
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS: Right. So you said you’ll have five locations, and I’m sure, I don’t think we’ve said yet, where exactly in the state we are. So people listening are probably wondering and hoping you’re in their backyard. But where are these campuses?
GEORGEANNA WIEST: We have two campuses in Apex, one is a K-6 and one is a 7-12. We have a K-6 in North Raleigh and one in Durham, and then we will be opening one in southern Wake County, that will hopefully grow to a whole K-12. But we have to do that slowly and wisely in what the demographics are for the location. But those are our locations right now, with another one coming next year. If you want to look on the website, it’s the National Association of University-Model Schools, so it’s NAUMSinc.org, has a list of all the University-Model schools in the whole world. And we are one, if you count our four as one, we are one of only 11 in the state. But they do cross the whole state.
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS: Okay, so if somebody hears this, and they want to know if there’s a similar University-Model School in their hometown, they can go to this website, tell us the address again.
GEORGEANNA WIEST: It’s NAUMSinc.org. So it stands for National Association of the University-Model School.
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS: Okay, so talk about why you were able to do this. We’ve heard so many things about how North Carolina is very friendly to different school models with different school choices. Was it unique, do you think, to North Carolina that you were able to just get this up and going as quickly as you did?
GEORGEANNA WIEST: I honestly don’t know. I think that we are, like you said, a leader in school choice, definitely helped me. But honestly, the ease in which we were able to open schools had more to do with the municipalities that we were in than it did the state in general. So you know, because we’re a private school and not a co-op, we have to jump through all the hoops of building code and zoning and traffic and all the things that any school would have to do. So that is probably one of the most challenging parts of operating. I mean, really, you look like a part-time school because you’re only physically at school half the time, but you’re treated like a full-time school which has its benefits. But in those situations, when it comes to all the red tape that comes into play, it can be difficult. But God has provided, and we have, I think, as these cities and towns have seen that we were meeting a need, it has become easier, much easier, to go in and share our story and start a new campus.
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS: Right, I can imagine. So you said that the municipalities played a role in the acceptance of this model? And what do you mean by that?
GEORGEANNA WIEST: It’s more of a facilities issue, just with zoning and the building code and things that limit who can be in what buildings and how that affects traffic. It just depends on how much that town or city is willing to work with you to make it happen. Because we are not building our own buildings with all the things that come along with that. And people knowing that we are meeting standard, we’re building to code, we’re having to walk into a facility and then kind of change what it’s used for and make it work. And that’s difficult.
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS: Do you have a vision for what you think it could be?
GEORGEANNA WIEST: I’m already so blown away, I think the sky’s the limit. Because I think we’ve just hit the iceberg when it comes to the opportunities we have to meet the needs of the community and serve the families of North Carolina and even beyond. But I’m a dreamer, so that’s like my job. It’s been my dream from the beginning that we would be able to offer an affordable Christian option, not only for kids from all backgrounds and socio-economic situations but also children with significant special needs.
So you know, there were very limited options for kids like our daughter, Emmy, who had Down syndrome and a lot of other delays, outside of the public school system. And I’d love to see children of all abilities to have the same options as everybody else, we would all benefit from that, everybody would. And I hope that through what HLA is doing, that we will start to see more overall diversity in the private school sector.
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS: Do you think that you’re an example that is encouraging to parents and grandparents as they look at our schooling situation these days?
GEORGEANNA WIEST: You know, I hope so. But I also would encourage these parents who maybe feel overwhelmed or very concerned about, especially the public school situation, is that you know, fear of man in the world is not of the Lord. God gives us not a spirit of fear, but a spirit of power, love, and sound judgment. And I think, a lot of times, the voices that we’re listening to are speaking fear in the name of truth, but the Bible is full of absolute truth. It is not full of prescriptions for your child’s education. And I think there’s a lot of very strong opinions and personal convictions out there that are fine. But I think it’s very individualized from child to child and family to family.
And I would just encourage these parents who are feeling that heaviness of this decision or feeling trapped in a certain situation, to not let fear be the driving force behind our decisions. And to understand concern is healthy. But we should truly examine the root of our discontent in whatever school situation we find ourselves in. And I would also tell everyone, as they’re navigating their school situation, that each child is different. And I think we do our kids a disservice by not looking at them as individuals with unique needs and purposes. I mean, even in my own family, we’ve done homeschool, we’ve sent our kids to private school, we’ve had a child in public school. So we have had our feet and all those areas. They’ve all been the best choice for a kid at a different season in life.
And so I want to also encourage parents in that, and looking at their children as individuals and not comparing them to others and to also remind them that no decision is permanent, you’re not signing a blood oath when you sign your kid up for a program that says that they have to attend from pre-K to 12th grade in the same program. So I think we just need to give that decision the weight it deserves but not too much, and not let ourselves get overwhelmed by fear and making the wrong choice, resting in our God-ordained role as the primary authority and discipler of our children, but then trusting Him to lead us where He wants them to be.
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS: Before we go. Georgeanna Wiest, founder of Heritage Leadership Academy, tell us again where our listeners can go to learn more about your fine schools.
GEORGEANNA WIEST: Our website is heritageacademy-nc.org, where you can find all the information, we have interest meetings monthly at our different campuses where you can go and tour and ask questions and really hear the heart of the school and what we’re about. You can also keep up with us on Facebook and Instagram and our name on there is Heritage Leadership Academy.
TRACI DEVETTE GRIGGS: Okay, Georgeanna Wiest, thank you for being with us today on Family Policy Matters.
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